I think this statement is part of the bigger question of where our wants and desires come from. Personally, I find this question particularly daunting. After growing up in a working-class family, I am now surrounded by wealth and financial opportunity in a way that I couldn't fathom growing up. The longer I am here, the more I find myself wanting things I had, literally, never heard of six months ago (bespoke dress shirts, for example). This tendency, combined with the great difficulties most have scaling back their lifestyle (Eben described it as "downshifting"), seems to be one way that corporate firms trap you into what then becomes something like indentured servitude.

So, how can we authenticate (reveal the source of) our desires? Is it important to do so? Can we pull our heads into our collars, like turtles, and pretend that we never read Veblen or Leff?

-- AdamCarlis - 12 Mar 2008

What do you mean by "authenticate our desires"?

-- ChristopherWlach - 12 Mar 2008

To answer what I consider to be your question, Veblen systematically understands our desires on a biological and evolutionary level. As man develops more complicated social structures, society evolves to adapt to these cultural developments. We move therefore from a "peaceable" to a "quasi-peaceable" to a "predatory" social system in the age of primitivism. In all these stages, class division exists but to the teleological end of collective improvement. What motivates man is precisely that 'desire' of group enhancement.

The desire, however, diminishes significantly in the beginning and particularly the end of barbarism. Then, groups invert in the most literal sense external competition. While competition more generally seems to operate on a biological level across all human societies, this inversion of competition only infects 'higher' societies. At that stage, inverted competition within the group encourages emulation, more precisely 'invidious' emulation. I size up my neighbor against myself, and, if my neighbor belongs to a higher leisure class, I emulate him; if the same class like vicarious leisure, I compete to outdo him; if a lower class like the industrial class, I must avoid whatever activity he does entirely. In this sense, my demand or 'desire' for something is dictated by the superior class, and not the masses, since the superior class also must avoid whatever activity the inferior class does.

• Jesse, my question was not with the history of conspicuous consumption, but rather what we, as modern consumers, should do with the knowledge of that history. I guess I am making the assumption that such consumption, when driven by social pressures, is a bad thing in so far as it doesn't represent our true desires (whatever true desires means). -- AdamCarlis - 12 Mar 2008

My question is to what extent the "domestic servant" with whom a reputable household must not socialize could be said to represent an allegory of the "firm" or "corporation"? Shareholders (the master), to whom service employees (the domestic servant) work, are always absent and thus do not socialize with the employees since "personal contact with the hired persons whose aid is called in to fulfil the routine of decency is commonly distasteful to the occupants of the house, but their presence is endured and paid for, in order to delegate to them a share in this onerous consumption of household goods"? (41 until the end of chapter 3).

-- JesseCreed - 12 Mar 2008

Responding to Adam’s question point about authenticating desires:

Veblen describes and rejects the traditional idea that the “end of acquisition and accumulation” is “the consumption of the goods accumulated” in order to “serve the consumer’s physical wants.” If you want to find a basis for what might be called “real desires” or “real wants,” I think you need to start by looking at what actual physical needs you have. We all need shirts or shirt like objects to keep warm or avoid sun burn. Nevertheless, we only “need” collared shirts with French cuffs to show status or fit in with others of a certain status in social situations.

The question then becomes what social situations do you “need” to fit into? What status do you “want” to achieve? How you answer these questions will determine what you end up subjectively needing and conspicuously consuming.

-- StephenClarke - 12 Mar 2008